Sunday, March 20, 2005

Researching MOVE

Finding accurate information about MOVE can be a tedious process. Type in "MOVE Organization" in your search engine and you are likely to find page after page of MOVE's brand of revisionist history and boilerplate propaganda.

There are, however, places on the web where you can find more critical information about the group. The website of cult-researcher Rick Ross has a few articles about MOVE and a huge data base of information regarding mind control, the effects of cult involvement, problems stemming from leaving cults, etc...

Another place to find articles about MOVE is the archives at Philly.com. This website covers both the Philadelphia Inquirer and the Daily News. It's database is huge, but, in order to access the full text of articles, you need to pay a fee.

Two free sources of information where you can find information about Mumia and MOVE are the websites of the Philadelphia City Paper and the Philadelphia Weekly.

Over the years, there have been a number of books published dealing with MOVE, although anyone purchasing them should know that none of them deal with anything post-1985. You will probably have no chance at all to purchase these books at your local bookstore, as they have long been out of print. However, I was searching at Amazon.com and was able to find every book ever written about MOVE to date available for purchase.

They are the following:

"The MOVE Crisis in Philadelphia"

"Let the Bunker Burn"

"Burning Down the House"

"Discourse and Destruction"

(For the Marxist perspective on the MOVE bombing see) "Attention MOVE this is America"

8 Comments:

At 4:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

this blog is the dumbest shit i ever saw.

 
At 9:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

No...the dumbest shit I ever saw was 11 people too dumb to run from a burning house.

 
At 8:23 AM , Anonymous jon pisano said...

what was dumb was the 6 adults using the 5 children as pawns for their own insanity

 
At 10:39 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

what's really dumb is how cops murdered Ramp by accident and blamed it on the MOVE group.

also have you ever heard Faulkner's wife speak? Now thats some dumb shit.

But smerconsih is a real competitor for the dumb award of the year.

this site is dumb.

when you say dumb enough times, even dumb sounds dumb.

hmm, where did the word dumb come from anyway?

this is some real dumb shit right here though. talk about dumb!

 
At 6:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, you actually believe that the police shot at least five of its own police and firemen on August 8th, 1978? Mind you, these police and firemen were not all standing in the same location when shot.
I've heard some dumb, moronic crap before coming from people defending MOVE, but come on!
If it was friendly fire, then that might explain why one person was shot, but buying that half a dozen people in random locations around MOVE headquarters were also shot by friendly fire hardly constitutes for rational thinking.
But I guess it is easy to believe in such far fetched dribble when you haven't really ever bothered to consider the testimonies of one single person other then a MOVE person when you account for MOVE's history.
Stop looking at the world through your muddled tunnel-vision. You might actually find that some of those neighbors on Osage Avenue in 1985 were telling the truth and lost their homes and all that they had worked their whole lives to build in one day because MOVE decided to put a military outpost on their roof, equiped with gunports, stock-piled gasoline on their roof, threatened the life of key city officials, held their kids hostiage, and then dared the cops to come and get them.
How stupid can you really be? Five children were murdered by some idiot who couldn't grasp education beyond a third grade level by the age of 16 and dropped out of school.
You want a reality check, John Africa was a warped man because his mother died when he was young, because he was too retarded to keep up with the mediocracy of public education, and because he couldn't be man enough to have any kids of his own. That prick was a sad story, but what was worse was that in his search for glory, or infamy (hard to tell if he knew what the difference was), he manipulated ten other people to die with him and convinced another dozen to spend ridiculous amounts of time in jail by the promise that they were God's chosen people.
Get real. He was crazy and so is MOVE, but they are very deliberate...make no mistake about that.

 
At 9:18 PM , Blogger Tony Allen said...

I think that in disparaging a woman whose husband was gunned down in the line of duty is quite low, even for a MOVE apologist.

And Smerconish "dumb"? The guy is a successful lawyer, hosts the number 1 rated talk show in Philly, regularly appears on national news programs, and has a weekly column in the Daily News. You may disagree with what he has to say, hell, most of the time I disagree with what he has to say. But dumb he is not. And I admire his willingness to stand up against MOVE's thuggery and bullshit. Unlike you he takes a stand, defends it, and doesn't hide behind an anonymous identity.

 
At 10:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Isn't it possible to think that a group can be dumb, fucked up and cultish AND at the same time oppose state terror against them?

Think about it...the Branch Davidians were dumb cracker religious culty shitheads, did they deserve to get the crap bombed out of them? No!

James Baldwin said if they some for you in the morning, they'll be back for me at night. In other words, that translates into if they come for the dumb fucked up cultish assholes at night and nobody says anything since they are not dumb fucked up cultish assholes, then the state will be back for everyone else sooner or later.

I have no fucking idea if anything on this site is true or not but it is suspect since it devolves into red-baiting which is the silliest form of political discourse. Of course ANSWER are authoritarians, why slander everyone else who supports Mumia? He has everyone from liberals to anarchists calling for his release. WHY? Somebody else confessed to the crime!

 
At 12:06 AM , Blogger Tony Allen said...

It is of course possible to be "dumb, cultish, and oppose state terror at the same time. Of course as a former MOVE adherent, and as someone who has spent literally hundreds of hours studying the group and it's history I have come to the conlusion that MOVE is not dumb at all and that they have been the bringers of terror, not the critics of it.

Did the city handle both major confrontations with MOVE improperly? I think so, and in the case of 1985 the courts affirmed this fact. However, this does not absolve MOVE from having to take responsibility for what they have done to themselves, their children, and their community.

(Just so you know, it is probably unwise to whine about "red baiting" while at the same time "race baiting")

The Branch Davidians was a sect that included many international members as well as a high number of African-Americans and other "minorities".

They also weren't "bombed" as you put it.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

The state "came" for MOVE in 1985 because the group had elected to virtually taking their neighborhood hostage. MOVE had been torturing their neighbors for over a year, had threatened the life of the Mayor, was housing a fugitive (Frank Africa), and a number of it's members were wanted on an array of charges.

Trust me, if Mr. Baldwin had lived next to MOVE, he would have been begging the police to do something about the group as well.

Imagine living next to a group that housed a huge menagerie of unkept and diseased animals, whose members physically attacked your fellow neighbors, who would scream obscenities into a bullhorn for hours on end (they would have delighted in calling Baldwin a fag),a group who constructed a fortified bunker on their roof, and who routinely brandished weapons. Even MOVE's Buddhist neighbors were demanding that the police take action.

And you cannot "red bait" when the group in question is a proud Marxist entity.

No, I don't slander "everyone else" who supports Mumia. I merely stated the truth about a group that claims to support Jamal.

Also, if I thought there was any credence to the "Beverly Confession" than I might still count myself amongst the Mumia faithful. Unfortunatly for Jamal advocates, none of the original eyewitnesses can place him at the scene and the man cannot get his story straight to save his shadowy life. Which is probably why Weinglass dismissed the man as being incredible in the first place.

Read more about the Beverly scam in my piece "Mumia Reconsidered"

 

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