Monday, June 08, 2009

What About John Gilbride?

(Pic of John Gilbride)


That should be the question that is asked anytime the issue of MOVE or even Mumia is raised.

For those of you who aren’t aware, the issue of Mumia’s guilt and possibility of freedom is settled and the possibility of MOVE members being released on parole after being convicted of murdering James Ramp is not very likely.

So why even bother arguing back and forth with Mumia and MOVE supporters on these issues? Part of winning a fight is knowing that it is ok to walk away when the battle is over. Let them have their protests and yell at empty buildings. They mean nothing now.

What does still count is that justice has not been done for John and I hold onto the idea that bringing his killers to justice is not at all an impossible dream. Time has certainly passed and while trails may go cold, our collective resolve to see the guilty be brought forth does not have to diminish.

I continue to argue that the best thing that most of us can do with regards to bringing John’s killers to justice is to not let his memory and what happened to him at the hands of MOVE members and supporters be erased MOVE wants John Gilbride permanently deleted from the records of the group’s history. The cult so dependant on its martyrs wants people to forget the name of a man who they claim was executed by the government. This massive contradiction should raise suspicions in the minds of even those people who know nothing else about John’s murder.

What can be done to keep John out there is to use any and every mention of MOVE or Mumia in the media, on websites, really any forum possible, as an opportunity to raise the issue of John Gilbride’s killing and the “suspicious” circumstances surrounding it. The is the antidote to sitting around with frustration at the thought of powerlessness in the face of what I think has been demonstrated to be the pure wickedness that is MOVE.

As someone who lived in the midst of MOVE, I know the effect that the publicity and pressure on the group had on many of its supporters and even some of its members. The anxiety and fear it brought, also brought with it some sense of self-reflection. No longer could MOVE’s contradictions be so easily overlooked, the consequences of its ideology were there for anyone who could open their eyes to see. MOVE has not recovered from the controversy brought forth by John’s murder.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that there aren’t too many people who will devote themselves to MOVE’s mission (not that they really have one anymore), when they find out the group is suspected in murdering a former adherent. The parole board probably isn’t going to release MOVE members while the cult is under scrutiny for yet another murder.

If MOVE or Mumia is mentioned in the newspaper up in Philly, please be ready to send letters or to make phone calls to raise the issue of John’s murder. If you hear of Ramona Africa speaking at some college in your area, contact the students and let them know the kind of people they are bringing onto campus, etc…These things do make a difference and is much better than doing nothing.

18 Comments:

At 1:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"the group is suspected in murdering a former adherent"? are you kidding?

NJ police officiall do NOT suspect MOVE, and local Philly Cop Capt. Fisher has publicly stated that he doesn't think MOVE was involved in it.

 
At 5:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some people are blind...and some are stupid. What catagory fits you. Don't believe everything you hear or read. Think logic as to this execution and the common denomator...MOVE. No investigator will publicaly state their investigative objective...common scense

jon pisano

 
At 3:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

so who officially "suspects" MOVE besides you and Tony Allen?

Because NJ authorities have made official statements that MOVE is NOT suspected?

Who's truly blind and delusional?

 
At 5:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Read my third and last sentence

From one who has had LE investigative experience.

jon pisano

 
At 5:08 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is obviously no basis for the assertion that MOVE killed Gilbride. The only evidence cited is that Tony Allen hates MOVE, therefore MOVE is "suspected".

How else to explain the assertion when there is no evidence, and no public assertions by police authorities (besides those explicitly stating that MOVE is not suspected)...

As that old Nazi slogan goes, "say a lie enough times and it eventually becomes true"... How else is it that ANYONE takes Tonay Allen seriously?

 
At 7:57 PM , Blogger Tony Allen said...

I did not contend that NJ law enforcement officials suspect MOVE. Although they do, so thanks for bringing it up. Secondly, Mr. Pisano's point about police not going public with certain info is also very prescient.

Finally, who is asking? Why are you hiding behind the mask of anonymity? I put myself out there. Why do you hide your identity? What do you think happened to John Gilbride?

 
At 12:31 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

so where's the source on the NJ authorities suspecting MOVE?

All news accounts I've seen since 2002 (including a few essays by Mr. Tony Allen before he flip-flopped and became fanatically anti-MOVE) say that they DON'T suspect MOVE.

It is very convenient to say that "since they're investigating it, their official statements saying that they don't suspect MOVE are meaningless." By the same logic, police don't think Elvis is dead, scientists don't believe in global warming, space aliens are actually behind global politics, etc....

come on! do you guys expect ANYONE to take you seriously?

 
At 10:41 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon, your "journalistic" responses seem you support a group who are known for violence and murder. Would you agree, useing common sence here, in light of the legal battle btwn MOVE and John Gilbride which ended the evening before he was to take sole custody of his child. MOVE, I believe, stated that would not happen. Would that, in YOUR mind, be suspect? Your postings remind me of a so called "journalist" who is a staunch MOVE supporter even after the Jamal fiasco. Could you be he?

jon pisano

 
At 2:50 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

"journalist"? huh?

sounds like you're trying to distract from the fact that you have ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE, besides the fact that you dislike MOVE.

But at least you admit that there have been ZERO media reports documenting that the NJ or Phila authorities suspect MOVE.

Like I said, do you expect anyone to take you seriously?

 
At 4:59 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Believe what you wish but there are MOVE members who are convicted murderers MOVE are strong supporters of other proven convicted murderers. Fact: MOVE were verbally vicious in their quest to deny John Gilbride his parental rights and stated it wouldn't happen. After John Gilbride was executed the day before he was to have Court approved unsupervised custody of his son, MOVE stated what a nice guy he was yada yada yada

No investigator worth their salt would comment as to an on going murder investigation. As I said, don't believe everything you read or hear. Just MY opinion

Jon Pisano

 
At 8:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

a conviction doesn´t mean anything!!!!...it doesn´t say they actually did kill anyone. it just says...the authority needed a scapgoat for what fucked up shit they did.

hehehehe....this is so laughable.
get over it...start to love yourself and stop hating on others.

go wave your flag and be proud of your stupid country!

 
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